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Post by Nick D on Jul 9, 2008 9:56:03 GMT -5
Do you? Ages below, say 7 or 8, before they have a grasp on what they're believing. I will take a stance against it, argument in next post.
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Post by Nick D on Jul 9, 2008 9:58:23 GMT -5
No, they shouldn't be, and you're completely right where they have no grasp on what they're believing in, and truthfully, no choice. Until I became atheist a few years ago, I never really knew what my religion was about, and I believed in it for one reason and one reason only, because I was raised like that. Now, as an atheist, I actually know and understand more about my religion than I did when I 'believed' in it, and the fact that I'm still atheist shows that I find it all ridiculous. If I didn't stop to think why I was believing in what I was other than I was raised to, I would have continued the same trend, 'believing' because it was what I was supposed to do. Even though this may only be my story, it does reflect what happens to many kids, they're raised that way, and then they come to the point where they either get more in-depth, split from their religion, either to atheism or another religion, or they continue to 'believe' without really knowing. Most are just blindly following, and most don't step out of the line because most religions say you cannot question your Chuck Norris(s). This can also present a social problem, many blame the collapse of religion as a major problem in the world, but its even worse if people sit back and say " Chuck Norris will sort this out, we just need to pray." why do you think 80% of scientists are atheist or agnostic? Theism in any form makes people too dependent on their beliefs.
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Post by J!M on Jul 11, 2008 21:01:36 GMT -5
No, they shouldn't be, and you're completely right where they have no grasp on what they're believing in, and truthfully, no choice. Until I became atheist a few years ago, I never really knew what my religion was about, and I believed in it for one reason and one reason only, because I was raised like that. Now, as an atheist, I actually know and understand more about my religion than I did when I 'believed' in it, and the fact that I'm still atheist shows that I find it all ridiculous. If I didn't stop to think why I was believing in what I was other than I was raised to, I would have continued the same trend, 'believing' because it was what I was supposed to do. Even though this may only be my story, it does reflect what happens to many kids, they're raised that way, and then they come to the point where they either get more in-depth, split from their religion, either to atheism or another religion, or they continue to 'believe' without really knowing. Most are just blindly following, and most don't step out of the line because most religions say you cannot question your Chuck Norris(s). This can also present a social problem, many blame the collapse of religion as a major problem in the world, but its even worse if people sit back and say " Chuck Norris will sort this out, we just need to pray." why do you think 80% of scientists are atheist or agnostic? Theism in any form makes people too dependent on their beliefs. I see where you're going with this, and I partially agree. Although I heard only about 33% of scientists are atheistic, that kind of tells you something. In order to cater to both sides of the argument, I think that children should be taught religion at a young age, but taught about many religions. Lessons should be unbiased and the children should not have to make a final choice until they feel that they're old enough to make an intelligent decision. And the bible wasn't meant to be taken literally. Your friend really ought to stop taking it word for word. If she wants a literal religious work, she's going to need to learn Arabic and read the Qur’an. I'd like to hear the other person's response who voted for Yes. I know who you are.
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Post by Nick D on Jul 11, 2008 22:25:48 GMT -5
No, they shouldn't be, and you're completely right where they have no grasp on what they're believing in, and truthfully, no choice. Until I became atheist a few years ago, I never really knew what my religion was about, and I believed in it for one reason and one reason only, because I was raised like that. Now, as an atheist, I actually know and understand more about my religion than I did when I 'believed' in it, and the fact that I'm still atheist shows that I find it all ridiculous. If I didn't stop to think why I was believing in what I was other than I was raised to, I would have continued the same trend, 'believing' because it was what I was supposed to do. Even though this may only be my story, it does reflect what happens to many kids, they're raised that way, and then they come to the point where they either get more in-depth, split from their religion, either to atheism or another religion, or they continue to 'believe' without really knowing. Most are just blindly following, and most don't step out of the line because most religions say you cannot question your Chuck Norris(s). This can also present a social problem, many blame the collapse of religion as a major problem in the world, but its even worse if people sit back and say " Chuck Norris will sort this out, we just need to pray." why do you think 80% of scientists are atheist or agnostic? Theism in any form makes people too dependent on their beliefs. I see where you're going with this, and I partially agree. Although I heard only about 33% of scientists are atheistic, that kind of tells you something. In order to cater to both sides of the argument, I think that children should be taught religion at a young age, but taught about many religions. Lessons should be unbiased and the children should not have to make a final choice until they feel that they're old enough to make an intelligent decision. And the bible wasn't meant to be taken literally. Your friend really ought to stop taking it word for word. If she wants a literal religious work, she's going to need to learn Arabic and read the Qur’an. I'd like to hear the other person's response who voted for Yes. I know who you are. yea, but they should be told that it isn't necessarily real and they don't have to follow, most children get trapped because their parents say that Chuck Norris is right. they need to realize they have a choice, and most don't. and that other person was DH, so he most likely won't. and if he does, illiterately.
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